Breathwork & Breaking the Anxiety Cycle: Karen Anne Fasulo's Journey to Healing

Aug 23

Episode Summary

In this episode of "The Secret Keephers," I interview Karen Anne Fasulo, who is a multifaceted individual—a mother, daughter, entrepreneur, and breathwork coach from Canada. Karen shares her journey of self-discovery, discussing the many roles she's played in life and how they've shaped her identity. The conversation delves into Karen's personal experience with anxiety and panic attacks, which began in her late teens, and how she overcame them through breathwork and positive thinking, inspired by Wayne Dyer's teachings. Karen emphasizes the importance of mindful breathing, particularly through the nose, to activate the parasympathetic nervous system and promote calmness. She shares practical advice for managing anxiety, including the significance of belly breathing and maintaining good posture. Karen also talks about how she has passed these techniques on to her daughters, breaking the cycle of anxiety in her family. The episode concludes with Karen offering free breathwork resources and encouraging listeners to reach out for personalized sessions.

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00:00:03.000 --> 00:00:14.000 Hello, and welcome to the secret keepers. Today. My guest is Karen Fisul, and I'm gonna let Karen introduce herself and tell you what she does. 00:00:14.000 --> 00:00:25.000 Cool Hello. Well, thank you. It's such an honor to be here with you on your podcast and I really wanna thank you for creating this space for all of us, too. 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:29.000 Come and talk and share our stories. 00:00:29.000 --> 00:00:33.000 I am a. 00:00:33.000 --> 00:00:48.000 I guess I don't know. How do I describe myself? I'm so many different things. I'm I'm a mom, I'm a daughter. I'm a business owner, an entrepreneur breath. 00:00:48.000 --> 00:01:00.000 Coach. I'm just so many different things, and it's interesting how the journey of life has created so many different. 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:05.000 Identities into who I am. So. 00:01:05.000 --> 00:01:18.000 It's I live in Canada. There's just so many different things. So that was a really long, winded answer to a very simple question. 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:23.000 I would love for the audience to know what you are for me is, you are a very special friend. 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:26.000 And Karen's breath. Work was. 00:01:26.000 --> 00:01:30.000 My 1st journey of breath, work and. 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:35.000 The healing that took place. I can remember one of our very. 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:39.000 Very early in our sessions, and having such a release. 00:01:39.000 --> 00:01:40.000 Of. 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:43.000 Some trauma that was stored in my body. 00:01:43.000 --> 00:01:52.000 Waking up and seeing, you know, kind of waking up. But you know, opening my eyes again and looking and seeing that it was you gave me such comfort. 00:01:52.000 --> 00:02:04.000 Because it was like, here is this incredible woman, and she is guiding me through one of these really difficult moments in my life, and one of the best thing that was for me. So thank you for that. 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:20.000 Oh, well, thank you for sharing that with me, because when I get into my brass work sessions, especially with the one on ones, I do find that I do, it becomes more intuitive and more channeled. 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:30.000 I wouldn't say that I that I channel a lot, that I am someone who gets those downloads. But in those moments, and especially. 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:36.000 With you and our sessions together. I could feel you. 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:55.000 And even though you weren't in my screen, you know you were laying down, I don't. I don't think I even saw you at all. I just felt you and I could feel where you were going. And I just, you know, sort of said to myself, like, just be. 00:02:55.000 --> 00:02:57.000 Be the words and. 00:02:57.000 --> 00:02:59.000 And just allow and keep. 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:07.000 Be that space for whatever current needs to go through in this moment to allow her to be there. 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:10.000 Yeah, it was so. It was so awesome because it was. 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:16.000 I definitely because it gave me goosebumps, too. As you were saying, it's like it's definitely. 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:22.000 I mean, it just moves through us, and it's such a gift when you can really tune into your body. 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:23.000 Yeah. 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:25.000 Understand it. 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:28.000 So I just would love to hear. 00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:31.000 Little bit about you, and maybe some of the things that you. 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:34.000 You have as a mom, as. 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:39.000 You know, as a woman, as an entrepreneur, some of the things that you maybe have. 00:03:39.000 --> 00:03:43.000 Come across that have set you down a certain path in life. 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:56.000 Oh, my goodness! I feel like if I have to really think back into it! I've always questioned like life existence. What makes us here? What brings us here? And. 00:03:56.000 --> 00:04:08.000 And what is that journey that we're all on? And I think that just being in that space of questioning actually put me through a lot of uncertainty, because. 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:14.000 You know, the people around me were talking that way, so I kind of thought I was a little bit crazy. 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:15.000 And. 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:33.000 That led me into more of controlling. So you know, I can't think this way. I can't allow myself to dream. I need to become more focused. I need to become more driven. And I need to go. And this is what I'm supposed to do. 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:36.000 And and right from from where I was. 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:43.000 Really young, and I always seem to have found, and people would say to me like Karen, Oh, my goodness! Like. 00:04:43.000 --> 00:04:48.000 They would think she's got it all going on. She's so driven she knows what it is that she. 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:57.000 Needs to do, and I was always in my own head, so confused and scared and unsure. 00:04:57.000 --> 00:04:59.000 And whenever I would try to. 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:03.000 Talk to people when I was younger. I've. 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:07.000 They didn't know how to have these conversations with me. 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:14.000 And I don't think that it was really anything that was a bad thing, but it was just. 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:17.000 The way the the world was at that time. 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:26.000 I remember I when I was 18, is when I started with severe panic and anxiety, attacks and. 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:37.000 And I was struggled with that until I was 21, until I finally couldn't take it anymore, and went to my doctor and said, like, am I going crazy like what is going on with me? 00:05:37.000 --> 00:05:44.000 I can't go to sleep. I can't do anything. I'm just, you know. It's not, doesn't feel right. 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:55.000 And so she, my doctor, did all of the medical tests, and said, No, everything else like you've got some things like low blood, sugar, and all that sort of stuff which could help contribute to it. But. 00:05:55.000 --> 00:06:02.000 For the most part, she says, I think you have phobias and sent me to a support group for people with phobias. 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:07.000 And I I remember, because it was just so ironic, right? So. 00:06:07.000 --> 00:06:23.000 We? It's in like a community center. We're meeting in the basement of a community center. And you know, and all the people around the table are all different people with these phobias when actually we now know it's anxiety, disorder, agoraphobia. 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:28.000 Like a lot of the mental health that we talk about. 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:32.000 Openly that we all know about right now. We were kind of. 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:39.000 Hiding and creating our own little group in the basement of a community center, trying to. 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:44.000 Share strategies with each other, and support each other and understand each other. 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:53.000 But I do have to say that it was in those groups, at the age of 21 that I was 1st introduced to breath work. 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:57.000 As well as Wayne Dyers. Erroneous zones. 00:06:57.000 --> 00:07:02.000 Because I was so much younger than anybody else in that room. 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:08.000 They felt like I could really, you know, be a sponge of all of their. 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:13.000 Their knowledge, and and I was so willing to not. 00:07:13.000 --> 00:07:18.000 Feel the way that I was feeling that I was willing to try anything and everything. 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:24.000 So I listened to tapes, and my belly breaths. 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:34.000 And listen to at the same time the mantras and reading and remembering the words in Wayne Dyer's book, that you know nobody can make you feel the way that you're feeling. 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:37.000 The thoughts are just things that we. 00:07:37.000 --> 00:07:42.000 That we just keep thinking. And if we can think one thought that we can think another thought. 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:50.000 And so I was willing to try that and change that. And as I was changing as I was in my panic and anxiety, I would tell myself. 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:58.000 You know these are just thoughts. This is not real, and attach those to my inhale and my exhale. 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:02.000 I was able to stop the panic attacks. 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:11.000 And then I was able to reprogram the way that I was thinking, and I was not crazy, that I was not. 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:16.000 You know, silly, that I was not dying, that there wasn't anything majorly wrong with me. 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:26.000 That I was lovable, that I am worthy, you know, and these are all sort of things that come and go. But in that moment. 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:32.000 That's where I was able to feel the power. 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:35.000 Of healing, of breathwork. 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:45.000 I love that so much. There's so much in there with so many juicy gold nuggets in there. From the fact that you were able to. 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:54.000 Make the choice right? You you were able to choose that in that moment you were like, Okay, this isn't real. 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:58.000 It's and I can make another choice. I can choose a new thought. 00:08:58.000 --> 00:08:59.000 Yeah. 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:08.000 To. You know, Wean I, Wayne, are absolutely one of my favorites, and I love his teachings. 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:11.000 So much to glean from him. 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:14.000 But most of our I love that you were able to say. 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:19.000 You know, you're looking around at this group of people, and you and you all recognize. 00:09:19.000 --> 00:09:21.000 That. 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:24.000 With awareness. 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:32.000 You can choose something different. Right? So you know, you perceive the world as one way. 00:09:32.000 --> 00:09:34.000 Then all of a sudden. 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:39.000 You're getting some awareness, you know, since it's waking up inside of you. And now you're like. 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:43.000 I can make another choice. I can choose a new thought. 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:46.000 I could be the one to run the show. 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:50.000 Instead of whatever little voices in my head telling me otherwise. 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:54.000 And that's so beautiful, Karen. Thank you for sharing that. 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:55.000 Wow! That's great. 00:09:55.000 --> 00:10:00.000 Think. And I think, too, if I didn't learn the 2 at the same time. 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:02.000 And pair, the 2 together. 00:10:02.000 --> 00:10:06.000 I don't think I would have had the same result. 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:15.000 I really truly believe that it comes with changing thoughts, because if anyone has ever experienced a panic attack. 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:17.000 It's real. 00:10:17.000 --> 00:10:36.000 Like your the symptoms. What you feel is real, the heart pounding. I could feel the blood going through my veins. I could feel the the energy and the tingling in my head, like it was all real physiological feelings. 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:40.000 So just to say, You know, all this isn't real like. 00:10:40.000 --> 00:10:47.000 It was almost like a lie to myself, because it it is real. You are feeling it. 00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:58.000 What the difference is is that the source is not. You know I'm not having a heart attack because my heart is wrong. I'm having a heart, you know. I'm feeling the symptoms of it through a different source. 00:10:58.000 --> 00:11:03.000 So it's always finding what is that source? And for me, that was. 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:06.000 Anxiety. So it was, you know. 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:11.000 When I was a teenager there was a horrific accident. 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:15.000 In our, and one of my best friend was killed. 00:11:15.000 --> 00:11:25.000 And just that whole getting the phone call in the middle of of the night and and just experiencing all that. It's such. 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:34.000 A volatile age, you know, when I think back what caused a lot of my panic attacks was when I went to bed. Because what if I didn't wake up. 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:41.000 And if I didn't wake up then my parents would have to go through, and my friends would go through what we just went through. 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:43.000 And and now I know. 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:52.000 That that was the trigger in my subconscious that was sending me throughout all of these anxiety and panic attacks. So. 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:58.000 Understanding and and knowledge and awareness is really. 00:11:58.000 --> 00:11:59.000 The key. Now. 00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:19.000 I'm not 21 anymore. There has been. It's been quite a journey. But what I'm excited about now is that the awareness and the conversations that everybody's having and the techniques that are are out there and for anybody and everybody to pick up on is so. 00:12:19.000 --> 00:12:22.000 Available. 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:23.000 Yes. 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:28.000 When my daughter was going through anxiety and panic attacks is different. She's. 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:32.000 Autistic. She has the learning disabilities. 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:48.000 Her anxieties and was started before she would really pair like a an event to her anxiety. So it's it's different. But the same techniques has been able to really help her. 00:12:48.000 --> 00:13:02.000 You know we would sit, and we would hold each other's hands, and we would do belly breaths together and and change our thoughts. Right, so say different mantras, as our inhale. 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:13.000 And, you know, attach a release to the exhale, just to be able to to again change that thought and a lot of it. I am safe. I am okay. 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:14.000 I am well. 00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:20.000 You know those different things. So it it works all over the place. 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:22.000 I love it, and it's you know, the. 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:27.000 The mind, body, connection, right in the nervous system. 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:28.000 Yeah. 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:29.000 Reck you know it. 00:13:29.000 --> 00:13:32.000 It's a subconscious thing you. 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:36.000 You mentioned that right. 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:39.000 It's a moment that happened in our past. 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:43.000 And the subconscious being like the. 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:48.000 The the apps that run that you leave open on your on your. 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:52.000 But that's like the subconscious mind. It's just running in the background. 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:54.000 And that runs 95%. 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:56.000 Of your thought processes. 00:13:56.000 --> 00:13:58.000 But yet. 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:02.000 Most people don't know that they don't have that awareness of that. 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:08.000 And they believe that it's their thinking mind that's making choices or doing things. 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:12.000 And that's only 5%. So. 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:13.000 Yeah. 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:16.000 You know, it's like that's not really what's doing it. But back there you had that. 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:20.000 This incident that happened in your past, and it got stored. 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:23.000 And it the energy of it. 00:14:23.000 --> 00:14:25.000 Was put into your body. 00:14:25.000 --> 00:14:28.000 And the breath work helps release it. It helps that. 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:36.000 That energy that stuck energy get moving, and and then you can. Through that repetition and through your mantra you were able to. 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:38.000 Move past, it. 00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:39.000 Yeah. 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:43.000 And give it a new vibration in your body, so you wouldn't. 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:46.000 You know, necessarily have that pounding feeling anymore. 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:58.000 And you know, go into that fight or flight response when you started to feel, or the other, you know, like shutdown right? Some people go into a complete and shutdown in an anxiety situation so. 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:02.000 I love that you were able to share that with your daughter. 00:15:02.000 --> 00:15:03.000 Yeah. 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:05.000 There's there's a cycle being broken right. There's a cycle. 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:06.000 Yeah. 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:12.000 You were able to cause of the knowledge that you gained. You were like. 00:15:12.000 --> 00:15:13.000 Yeah. 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:16.000 Honey, I got you. Mom knows what's going on here, and we can. This is what we can do about it. I love that so beautiful. 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:18.000 Yeah. 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:19.000 Think there's. 00:15:19.000 --> 00:15:32.000 They turn it back on me. Now I've been through with all 3 of my daughters, and now, whenever like, if I'm like nervous about something, or, you know, gonna go on and do a speaking thing, or I'm like, I don't know, or I'm I'm panicking. They're like Mom. 00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:33.000 Yeah. 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:35.000 Do your breathing, you'll be fine. I'm just like, Okay. 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:36.000 Space. 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:38.000 Yeah. Yes. 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:42.000 I don't know how that sometimes with the things I teach my husband, and I'm like. 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:43.000 Why did I teach you that again. 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:45.000 Yeah. 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:46.000 That's it. 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:47.000 I'm sorry. 00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:48.000 This is. 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:49.000 Hmm. 00:15:49.000 --> 00:15:51.000 Oh, awesome! And you know, is there. 00:15:51.000 --> 00:16:02.000 You know, if you were to give advice, you know, to to our listeners. And again, this is this is our opinions, you know. Karen and I are not medical practitioners here. 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:03.000 Great. 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:12.000 However, we have lived experience and you know. So if you are experiencing something, it's a good. 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:13.000 Yeah. 00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:14.000 You know it's a good practice to go see your medical doctor. 00:16:14.000 --> 00:16:26.000 But Karen does have wisdom here, and so I would love for you to share with our listeners just one piece of advice if they are struggling with anxiety. 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:29.000 You know, or or anything else that could help them. 00:16:29.000 --> 00:16:30.000 Move forward! 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:32.000 One simple, thing. 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:54.000 Yeah, so wow, just one, that's it. So I think the the best thing that I can share is you know inhale through the nose. Right noses are for breathing, and if we just think about. 00:16:54.000 --> 00:17:01.000 How we breathe every day, not necessarily when we sit down to do breath work, but. 00:17:01.000 --> 00:17:09.000 When we're on our phone when we're reading, when we're on a computer, when we're working, when we're thinking like. 00:17:09.000 --> 00:17:12.000 Is your mouth open? Are you mouth breathing. 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:23.000 Or are you nose breathing? And the reason why is because, you know, going back to the fight or flight, and really, deep down in our subconscious. 00:17:23.000 --> 00:17:29.000 Is that one of the triggers for our body to release that. 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:30.000 That. 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:36.000 Cortisol is, you know, that inhale through the mouth right mouth, breathing. 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:50.000 And so that because when we think about it, what do we 1st do when we're angry or upset, right? When someone cuts you off. You're like right. That inhale through the mouth. Is is that natural response. 00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:51.000 In. 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:53.000 And so that triggers that. 00:17:53.000 --> 00:17:59.000 That cortisol to be pumping through like your body's like we're in trouble. Here you go. You need that energy. 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:05.000 But when we're safe and when we're happy, we're like. 00:18:05.000 --> 00:18:22.000 Right that inhale through the nose, the inhale through the nose triggers, the parasympathetic nervous system to kick in, which tells our body that we are safe, and it's like all that good calming, you know. Stuff is all released throughout our body. 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:37.000 So if anything that I can can suggest to anybody is just notice how you're breathing, and make sure that you're breathing in through your nose more than what you're breathing in through your mouth. The best that you can. 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:44.000 I love that. And there, look at that! That's it's a it's a free tip, you know, and it's an easy tip right. 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:45.000 Yep. 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:48.000 I, and I it's. 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:49.000 It works. 00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:51.000 I know it works. 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:55.000 Yeah, and ballys, right, like. 00:18:55.000 --> 00:19:06.000 How do we draw the air in using our optimum right? Our dive use diaphragmic breathing. The air is going all the way into our lungs. 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:18.000 Really encouraging, you know, deeper breaths, even at resting. Right? So again, not necessarily while you're doing a breath work session, but just in your everyday. 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:26.000 How can I sit and maybe get like a couple of good deep breaths in, is it when I'm. 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:43.000 Sitting waiting at a traffic light, you know. Can I sit and do like some, just giving us that that oxygen to be able to fill our blood with good, clean oxygen, so that we got enough to go throughout the day, which is really great. 00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:45.000 So great. I just think we. 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:47.000 We forget. 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:50.000 We get so caught up in our tasks. 00:19:50.000 --> 00:19:53.000 To get, you know, just so caught up in the emotion. 00:19:53.000 --> 00:19:54.000 Yeah. 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:55.000 It's a brief. 00:19:55.000 --> 00:20:03.000 It's sound almost ridiculous. But we need to be reminded, or to just even to sit up straight so that the body can breathe right. 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:04.000 Yes. 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:05.000 For important. 00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:09.000 And, you know, so simple, but yet it can be so difficult at the same time. 00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:10.000 Yeah. 00:20:10.000 --> 00:20:21.000 So, Karen, if if the audience would like to reach out to you and have a private work, session, or any of the other goodies that you have to offer. Can you just please tell them you know how they can find you. 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:25.000 Yeah, for sure. So you can find me. My website. 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:50.000 And I think we'll probably put it down because it's Karen and Com, and on there there's some downloads for some free goodies for breath work. Why, you wanna need to. Why, you would want to breathe properly. If they wanna reach out to me at Karen, at Karen Visulocom. I can send you an Mp. 3. 00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:58.000 Free of a free Sam of ruti breath, which is the box breathing. It's 5 min. 00:20:58.000 --> 00:21:09.000 So you can do is like a little simple reset if you want, or just right before you go to bed, just listen to it and helps breathe and get your breath patterns into 00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:12.000 Like a calm state before you go to bed. 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:13.000 It's really good. 00:21:13.000 --> 00:21:16.000 Beautiful, beautiful. Well, thank you so much. 00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:24.000 For joining me today, and for being with us all, and for sharing your beautiful light and your wisdom with us. We really appreciate. 00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:26.000 You being here today. 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:38.000 Well, thank you for having me. It's been such an honor to be considered to be a guest on your show, and to share this experience with you. Thank you.

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